Do you support the monarchy?

…I’m quite conflicted with this, there is so much fortune attached to our monarchy that could be used elsewhere …but other countries often comment on and love our ‘pomp and circumstance’ …they love all of the royal formal occasions and celebrations etc and how extravagant it all is…I recall having those conversations when it was the King’s coronation and the late Queen’s jubilee…so it does create a very positive feeling …and Lord knows, we all need that in present times…especially in the U.K. since we brexited Europe, I feel…anything positive to represent us and to counter any negativity…would be a good thing and for the moment, worthy of preserving and supporting…?….

…Charles has a lot of work to do, though…his popularity and personality have big boots to fill and he hasn’t had the same public feeling as his mother …so I do think that big changes in the monarchy and how it works are needed as well…

I am quite opposed to the monarchy, I think it is an outdated relic that was built upon the plunder of colonial wealth. Ideally it would not only cease to exist as an institution but it would return the wealth that was stolen from other societies. It should be part of reparations which would also include the world museums.

I'm kind of indifferent to it.

I agree with the principle that leaders should be elected rather than being born into the position. But given that the monarchy is still fairly popular; it's essentially just figurehead role anyway; and getting rid of it would doubtless be rather complicated... it's pretty close to the bottom of my priority list.

Nope. It's an outdated idea that should have been abolished a long time ago, especially in a democratic country like ours.

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Nope. It's an outdated idea that should have been abolished a long time ago, especially in a democratic country like ours.

What about democracy? A fake system where corrupted men who desire power lie to people giving fake promises and they vote for them thinking that they have a choice while actually it's all just one big team who profit on nation stupidity. Socrates was against the idea the moment it was mentioned. He died defending his views on it.

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The fake promises happen everywhere including in the UK, intentional or not. Sometimes it’s the economy getting in the way due to unexpected factors out of our control and unpredictable affairs like COVID and the Russia-Ukraine war. But sometimes empty promises are made in manifestos with no real plan.

Well, our views differ in sense of me looking at the world where minority of powerful men (deep state) rule over majority and nothing that happens is by natural way and you looking at it as all is happening by accident, nobody has control over things and their promises could have been real if this or that didn't happened.

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Well, I see it like this: when we elect a leader, it’s our choice whether or not to trust them, and we use their past track records as guidance.

I understand that view.

There's one thing I forgot to mention in my previous post, that I think I ought to add.

When people discuss the monarchy, they usually spend 90% of their time arguing about the monetary aspects (i.e. does the monarchy cost too much, or does it bring in money through tourism?). And personally, I find the monetary arguments to be a complete waste of time.

Very few people base their position on the monarchy on those issues. If somebody likes the idea of the monarchy, it's usually because they appreciate the history, and see cultural value in it (or maybe they like the stability) - and they consider the money spent on it to be money well-spent. Or if someone opposes the monarchy, it's usually because they think it's inconsistent with a fully democratic and meritocratic society - and that will override any monetary arguments in favour of the monarchy.

When people make these monetary arguments, they're not engaging with the real reasons why people support or oppose the monarchy. Instead, they're engaging with the rationalisations that lots of people give, but that they aren't actually invested in.